Simple Bull vs Bear Targets and ConditionsSome simple bullish targets (yellow) for Tesla, conditioned upon remaining above the white neckline and getting and holding above the red one.
Simple bearish targets (orange) are conditioned upon losing the white neckline, and then dropping and losing the green one.
Nearer term bear targets could also simply be the white line, the green line, or the area of the weekly high and low of the last weekly low above the green line
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TESLA: Can it reach $500?Tesla is overbought both on its 1D (RSI = 76.375, MACD = 28.880, ADX = 43.174) and 1W (RSI = 76.043) technical outlooks. This however isn't by any means a bearish sign, at least not on the long term. Tesla appears to be aiming for $500 in the immediate future and in our view even higher on the long term. The reason is the convincing 1W Golden Cross that is about to be formed and the last time we had such a clear Cross was on January 21st 2020.
The stock was ona bullish breakout after a Channel Down correction. The breakout initiated a rally that was supported by the 1W MA50 all the way until the November 2021 Top on the 4.5 Fibonacci extension! Tesla's 2025 target shouldn't be $500 but instead the 2.0 Fibonacci extension at $640. As long as the 1W MA50 supports, we will stay long term bullish towards that target (TP = 640.00).
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Tesla: Are We Dropping to $350 or Climbing to $480?Good morning, trading family.
Tesla is sitting at a key level, and it looks like we’re about to see a big move. Here’s what I’m seeing:
Option 1:
We could see a drop of $50-$60, taking Tesla down to $350-$360 before it finds support and bounces back.
Option 2:
If Tesla holds here and starts pushing higher, it could climb to $440. After that, we might see either:
A pullback of $50-$60, OR
A continued run all the way to $480.
This is one of those times where the chart is doing the talking. Trade what you see, not what you hope for.
If this breakdown makes sense, hit like, follow, and share your thoughts below. Where do you think Tesla is headed next? Let’s figure it out together.
Kris/ Mindbloome Exchange
Tesla - Ending 2024 With A Parabolic Rally!Tesla ( NASDAQ:TSLA ) is clearly not done for 2024:
Click chart above to see the detailed analysis👆🏻
Despite (or maybe even because of) the strong rally during November of 2024, Tesla is clearly not done with its bullish plans yet. Market structure, cycles and also price action are all pointing to a stronger move higher and we will see at least a retest of the previous all time highs.
Levels to watch: $420
Keep your long term vision,
Philip (BasicTrading)
TESLA $TSLA | TESLA RALLY TO 400?! (ASCENDING TRIANGLE) Dec05'24TESLA NASDAQ:TSLA | TESLA RALLY TO 400?! (ASCENDING TRIANGLE) Dec05'24
NASDAQ:TSLA BUY/LONG ZONE (GREEN): $357.50 - $400.00
NASDAQ:TSLA DO NOT TRADE/DNT ZONE (WHITE): $331.00 - $357.50
NASDAQ:TSLA SELL/SHORT ZONE (RED): $270.00 - $331.00
NASDAQ:TSLA Trends:
NASDAQ:TSLA Weekly Trend: Bullish
NASDAQ:TSLA Daily Trend: Bullish
NASDAQ:TSLA 4H Trend: Bullish
NASDAQ:TSLA 1H Trend: Bullish
NASDAQ:TSLA is hanging on to the strong bullish rally that first began after the most recent earnings report (Oct23), followed by the Trump rally after the presidential election. NASDAQ:TSLA has been building an ascending triangle at the 360 price level, and a popular belief is that a break above this level will be the start of the push to the 400 price level. Here is what I'm personally looking at for possible NASDAQ:TSLA trade opportunities, potential for upside and downside, and how I'm viewing price structure and technicals with the help of some of my personal indicators!
This is what I would personally look at before entering trades, everything is subject to change on a daily basis and as I analyze different timeframes and ideas.
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Tesla At $400; More Gains After PullbackHey traders, hope everyone is doing well.
Today, I will looking at Tesla stock, which as you know has impressive gains for the last few weeks, due to speculation surrounding Trump's US presidential election win and connections with Elon Musk. This has fueled expectations of easier regulations for self-driving Tesla cars.
But loking at the structure, the current rally from 340 appears to be coming out of a triangle and has now reached the 400 area. Its the key swing high from 2022 and 2021, suggesting the potential for a pullback in the coming weeks.
So I think its better to wait for the next wave (4) retracement rather than chasing the market at these levels. If a wave four pullback occurs, support could be found between 311 and 350, especially if the decline unfolds in three waves.
GH
TSLA on the go...Hello TradingView Family / Fellow Traders. This is Richard, also known as theSignalyst.
📈 After rejecting the $200 round number zone and breaking above the red channel, TSLA's momentum shifted from bearish to bullish.
Currently, TSLA is in a correction phase and approaching the green demand zone and round number $300.
📚 As per my trading style:
As #TESLA approaches the $300 zone, I will be looking for bullish reversal setups (like a double bottom pattern, trendline break , and so on...)
📚 Always follow your trading plan regarding entry, risk management, and trade management.
Good luck!
All Strategies Are Good; If Managed Properly!
~Rich
Mumu On AirThis chart displays a symmetrical triangle pattern on the MUMU/USDT trading pair. The price action shows tightening between ascending support and descending resistance, often signaling potential breakout momentum. The bullish bias is evident with higher lows, suggesting buyers gaining control. A breakout above the resistance line could trigger significant upside momentum.
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DON'T SLEEP ON TESLA ON A... WELL, NEVER SLEEP AGAIN. TSLA 420.
ALRIGHT, LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN.
Tesla has a cool trend setup, retracement setup and indicator alignment into earnings.
A REALLY STEEP DROP from earnings, past 134 and all the way down to around 96, could trigger a nice move to the upside that you won't want to miss.
I know, TSLA to 74 or 30 or 10 (it's garbage).
Well, no, I disagree. At least in the short term. After it runs up again, I could easily see it back down to some low numbers.
But right now, heading into earnings, a big move is showing that looks very similar to what I've shown.
My line, expect it to be inaccurate, instead focus on the price targets.
At 175.01 = full bull to the moon 238k miles, maybe overshoots that.
There will be retracements, but if this move is based around btc, it could be FAST.
So, probably best to never sleep again, and watch the tsla chart 24/7.
RSI technically bearish, but they all look like they are about to flip, BUT they haven't yet, so we can't assume. We have to keep the projection based on charts, which says, if 134 holds and we get over 175 with stability, then green light, probably.
If earnings crashes price to under $100 for a brief amount of time, you probably want to yolo the dip. Calls would be very cheap at that point, and if you're bullish in any way, even if it's not to my numbers bullish, then it's still probably free money.
I won't be upset should you disagree, feel free.
And I look forward to your rubbing of profits in my face, should you be correct.
Truthfully, I'd like to see everyone make a ton, no matter what your opinion is (bear/bull).
LOTS OF MOVEMENT to trade in two directions.
Things don't go up forever, things don't go down forever, and if they do, it would be an outlier to most market movements.
Good luck!!
SOME FUNDAMENTAL RESEARCH:
1. **Tesla Fundamentals**:
- Tesla, the electric vehicle (EV) company founded by Elon Musk, has seen remarkable growth in recent years. Their fundamentals include strong demand for EVs, innovative technology, and a charismatic CEO who captures public attention.
- However, Tesla's financials have been volatile due to high R&D costs, production challenges, and regulatory hurdles. Despite this, their stock price has surged, making them one of the most valuable automakers globally.
2. **Bitcoin and Dogecoin Investments**:
- Tesla made headlines when it disclosed a $1.5 billion investment in Bitcoin. This move signaled institutional interest in cryptocurrencies.
- Elon Musk's tweets and actions have influenced crypto markets. Tesla's investment in Bitcoin adds legitimacy to the asset class.
- As for Dogecoin, Tesla has not officially invested in it. However, Musk's tweets and memes have boosted Dogecoin's popularity. It's important to note that Dogecoin is highly speculative and lacks fundamental value¹.
3. **Software Subscription vs. Hardware Sales**:
- Morgan Stanley believes Tesla could make more money from software subscriptions than hardware sales. Tesla's vehicles are equipped with advanced software features (Autopilot, Full Self-Driving) that can be unlocked via subscription.
- By offering software upgrades, Tesla can generate recurring revenue. This model aligns with the trend toward software-defined vehicles².
4. **Data Collection and Auto Driving**:
- Tesla collects vast amounts of data from its vehicles, especially those equipped with Autopilot. This data helps improve autonomous driving algorithms.
- Tesla's fleet provides real-world data for training AI models, giving them a competitive edge in self-driving technology.
- Monetizing this data could be lucrative. Tesla could license it to other companies or use it for targeted advertising.
5. **Leasing Software vs. Selling Cars**:
- Leasing software (e.g., Full Self-Driving subscription) allows Tesla to generate ongoing revenue without selling additional hardware.
- Traditional automakers rely on upfront car sales, which can lead to debt if demand fluctuates.
- Tesla's approach disrupts the industry by emphasizing software and services over traditional car sales.
In summary, Tesla's fundamentals, crypto investments, software subscriptions, data collection, and unique business model contribute to its success and potential for future growth. However, risks remain, and the EV landscape is evolving rapidly. Other automakers are also adapting to these changes, but Tesla's early lead gives it a competitive advantage¹². 🚗💡📈
Source: Conversation with Bing, 4/22/2024
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Tesla: ResistanceThe $362.80 resistance level currently represents a critical threshold during the ongoing wave (V) movement. After the price initially failed to break this level in late November, another rejection at the start of the week highlighted the significance of this barrier. A sustained move above $362.80 should unlock further upward momentum; the magenta wave (iii) should have sufficient strength to carry the price beyond the $400 mark. While a setback toward new lows remains 25% likely, we primarily assume that the correction phase is finished, and the price is now positioned in an extended upward trend.
Tesla Stock Surges 38% in November. What’s the Outlook for 2025?EV maker has turned into an exclusive beneficiary of Donald Trump’s second four-year stay at the White House. All thanks to Elon Musk’s financial and social efforts to propel Trump ahead of Kamala Harris on November 5. But what if Trump now gives him the cold shoulder?
Here’s a challenge — think of Donald Trump’s right-hand man. Who popped to mind? Was it his pick for Vice President JD Vance? Nuh uh, right? It’s Elon Musk. The unelected tech billionaire, Tesla CEO, X owner has been glued to the President, showing up on photos wearing MAGA hats and promising to restart America’s politics. Let that sink in?
With about seven weeks to go before Donald Trump’s inauguration on January 20, Musk is already enjoying the windfalls of his support for the President-elect. At the end of the day, he dished out as much as $130 million to help Trump secure the win.
Quick maths: since November 5, Election Day, Musk’s net worth has puffed up by $72 billion. The rate of return on that $130 mil? A stratospheric 5,500%, or X55 in the span of a mere three weeks’ time. True, it’s all tied up in shares of Tesla TSLA — Musk owns roughly 13% of the electric-car manufacturer. But, more importantly, many investors and analysts believe this is just the start of what’s shaping up to be the golden era of EVs and the futuristic self-driving technology.
Despite not being in office yet, Trump has kicked off the work for loosening the federal standards for regulating self-driving vehicles. And expectations couldn’t be higher — Tesla’s mission to roll out cybercabs and robovans might materialize sooner rather than later. AI-trained self-driving cars might be roaming the streets as soon as late 2025.
Overly enthusiastic bargain hunters have sensed it already and have been bidding higher and higher for Tesla’s shares. Tesla, the formidable leader in the EV space , closed out November with a whopping 38% increase , or $300 billion poured in. That’s also when Tesla crossed $1 trillion in market value (a top 10 large-cap company ) based on 3.21 billion shares outstanding (but still remains under the record high set in 2021). It was the best month for the stock since January 2023 and the tenth best month in the company’s history. For the record, shares jumped 81% in May 2023, the best month ever.
An additional push for bumping up those Tesla numbers might come from the outside, too. Unwillingly, though. Donald Trump has threatened to slap tariffs on imported goods and services to the tune of at least 25% or more (especially 👐 China 👐). Lots of cars and car parts are manufactured in China, Mexico and Canada, three of the countries that are top picks for Trump’s tariffs.
What’s more, Elon Musk’s bold foray into politics has birthed a new agency, one specifically tailored to his preference. The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) promises to keep Musk and Trump talking on the daily. They’ve joined forces to potentially weed out the big spenders in the government, lean it out and give it a better flow.
Investors don’t seem to be doubting Elon Musk’s sincerity and all that powerful collaboration between him and Trump for 2025 and onward has translated into many early billions of dollars soaked up by Tesla (and Musk himself).
But on the flip side, Trump isn’t the type of person to share the limelight for too long. And so far Musk has been shoulder to shoulder with Trump at Mar-a-Lago, on planes, in cars and on the golf courts. And on Thanksgiving — sharing the same table. “He likes this place. I can’t get him out of here. He just likes this place,” Trump said at the America First Policy Institute Gala at Mar-a-Lago. Let’s just say it’d be a shame if Jim Cramer were to speak positively about that union.
With that said, do you think Musk made a bet for the ages by endorsing Trump? Or you’re more inclined to take a contrarian view — perhaps one where the Musk-Trump bromance falls out? Share your 2025 forecast in the comments and let’s spin up the discussion !
The EUR/USD forecast for reaching 1.11 by December 2024The EUR/USD forecast for reaching 1.11 by December 2024 might seem ambitious given current trends, but let's delve into why this could indeed happen:
Economic Recovery in the EU: Recent posts on X highlight expectations around the ECB's monetary policy. If the European Central Bank continues to adjust rates in response to economic recovery signals, a stronger Euro might follow. Discussions around inflation cooling off and potential rate adjustments suggest a more robust Eurozone economy, which traditionally supports a higher EUR/USD rate.
Political Stability and Sentiment: With the U.S. political landscape shifting due to the Democratic nomination of Kamala Harris for the 2024 election, there's a narrative shift. While not directly economic, political stability or perceived changes in policy direction can influence currency strength. If her campaign promises economic policies that might strengthen the Euro against the Dollar, this could be a psychological boost for EUR/USD.
Market Sentiment and Speculation: There's noticeable chatter on platforms like X about EUR/USD movements. Speculation can drive markets; if traders and investors start betting on a stronger Euro due to any positive economic data or geopolitical shifts, this speculative buying could push the rate towards 1.11.
Technical Analysis: Some analysts have pointed out key resistance and support levels. Breaking through these levels, especially with momentum, could set new targets. If EUR/USD manages to convincingly breach the 1.09 resistance and maintain that level, the next psychological target becomes 1.10, with 1.11 not far beyond in terms of market psychology.
Interest Rate Differentials: If the ECB's rate adjustments lead to a narrowing of the interest rate differential with the Fed, capital flow might favor the Euro more, pushing its value up against the Dollar. Given historical trends, even a small change in rate expectations could significantly impact the forex market.
Global Economic Factors: Broader economic conditions, like improvements in European trade balances, could bolster the Euro. If the EU manages to show resilience or growth in sectors previously affected by global downturns, this could reflect positively on the EUR.
Seasonal Trends and Market Calendar: There's often a lull before the end-of-year where markets might move based on year-end portfolio adjustments. If there's a sentiment that the Euro will strengthen, this could be the period where movements towards 1.11 get traction due to year-end positioning.
Investment portfolio - TeslaHello,
My followers showed interest in my recent trades and want to know more about some of my investments and my entery strategies. Today I am pleased to share my latest investment on TESLA stock.
Money management strategy:
The designated capital for this trade is $20000 (+emergency fund)💰. Here's how the funds will be allocated:
1st Order ($10 000 spot) : Placed at the current market price. This order aims to enter the investment after the recent correction of 53% from latest high.
2nd Order ($10 000 spot) : Set around $72. This price level aligns with a strong technical weekly support, making it a strategic entry point and a good adjustment price level.
3rd Order (emergency fund) : Not defined yet. It will depend on the nature of the downtrend.
The objective of this trade is to take profits near the All time high (~400$) .The target will be flexible depending on the nature of the uptrend. I admit that this investment can take years but I am prepared financially for it 💡💪.
Stay tuned for updates on this investment.
Happy trading, everyone!
This is not an investment advice, I am only sharing my own portfolio ;)
TESLA bounced right where it was supposed to! NASDAQ:TSLA bounced right where it was supposed to!
Tesla has had resistance turned support turned back to resistance dating back to 2021 on the chart, as seen by the white circles. It has broken the $300 level for the second time in the past three or so years. Now that it's broken, it has pulled back to the 9ema on the weekly chart, and the area that was once resistance has turned...you guessed it... SUPPORT. See you at $400 plus!
-HighFiveSetup is still intact with massive measured moves higher from our 1 and 3-year inverse H&S patterns.
-Tesla is up over 3% on a day, and the market is pulling back, which shows even more bullishness.
NFA
Tesla’s Autonomous AmbitionsMusk’s Vision vs. Reality: Tesla’s Path to Revolutionizing Transportation
Tesla recently experienced its best trading day since 2013, with the stock soaring 23% following the release of its Q3 earnings report. While the financial results were solid, investors are largely drawn to Elon Musk’s ambitious vision for autonomy a vision that presents significant challenges but holds substantial potential
Tesla’s rebound in deliveries, higher profit margins, and an unexpected forecast projecting 20% to 30% sales growth for next year reinvigorated investor confidence after a somewhat muted response to the October 10th 'We, Robot' event
The event showcased new products like the highly anticipated Cybercab (robotaxi) and Optimus (a humanoid robot) Despite the excitement, the presentation lacked detailed information, causing Tesla’s stock to decline by nearly 10% the following day
Despite being over 20 years old, the investment appeal of Tesla is still driven more by its future potential than its current state. Musk envisions mass-producing autonomous vehicles and robots, aspiring to make Tesla the largest company globally. Traditional valuation models based on recent performance can’t fully capture this long term vision
Tesla’s journey can’t be understood in isolation
Just three days after the 'We, Robot' event, SpaceX successfully launched its Starship spacecraft for the fifth time. The SpaceX “chopsticks” system successfully caught the Super Heavy booster after liftoff a crucial step toward making the booster completely reusable. This breakthrough could transform space travel by significantly reducing turnaround times and reshaping cost structures.
Elon Musk, at the helm of both Tesla and SpaceX, has a talent for transforming bold ideas into reality. SpaceX’s success in making rockets reusable has drastically reduced the cost of space travel, demonstrating that affordability can drive broader adoption.
This strategy mirrors Tesla’s vision for autonomous vehicles: by creating self-driving cars like the Cybercab, Tesla aims to reshape transportation with similar cost-efficiency principles. However, as with any disruptive technology, the range of possible outcomes is vast.
A balanced perspective considers Musk’s track record while acknowledging that his timelines can often be highly optimistic.
In 2021, Benedict Evans described Musk as “a bullshitter who delivers.” Whether Tesla’s vision for full autonomy will come to fruition remains uncertain, and fully autonomous fleets could still be years away. Nonetheless, Musk’s accomplishments with SpaceX add weight to Tesla’s ambitions, granting him credibility in the eyes of many.
The question remains: Will Musk’s ambitious autonomy vision fully take shape?
Today’s highlights:
- Tesla Q3 FY24 Results
- Key takeaways from the 'We, Robot' event
- Notable quotes from the earnings call
- Insights on Waymo, Uber, and the future of ridesharing
Tesla Q3 FY24 Overview
Tesla’s revenue is primarily generated from three segments
1. Automotive (80% of revenue): This includes the sale of electric vehicles, such as models S, 3, X, Y, and the Cybertruck.
2. Services and Other (11% of revenue): This segment encompasses vehicle services, the Supercharger network, and sales of automotive parts and accessories.
3.Energy Generation and Storage (9% of revenue): Revenue from solar products and energy storage solutions like the Solar Roof and Powerwall.
Key Metrics for Q3 FY24:
-Production: 470,000 vehicles produced (+9% YoY, +14% QoQ).
-Deliveries: 463,000 vehicles delivered (+6% YoY, +4% QoQ), which was slightly below analysts’ expectations of 464,000 and fell short of the Q4 2023 record of 484,000 deliveries. Despite price cuts over the last two years, Tesla’s auto sales growth has leveled off.
Financial Highlights:
-Revenue: $25.2 billion, an 8% YoY increase but fell short of expectations by $0.5 billion.
-Gross Margin: 20% (+2 percentage points QoQ and YoY).
-Operating Margin: 11% (+5 percentage points QoQ, +3 percentage points YoY).
-Adjusted EPS: $0.72, beating estimates by $0.12.
Gross Margin Insights:
-Automotive Gross Margin: 17% (excluding regulatory credits), up from 15% in Q2 and 16% a year earlier. The cost per vehicle dropped to an all-time low of $35,100. Notably, the Cybertruck achieved a positive gross margin for the first time. The automotive segment included $326 million in software revenue.
-Services and Other Gross Margin: Reached 9%, marking the 10th consecutive quarter of positive margins and a new record high.
-Energy Generation and Storage Gross Margin: The highest margin segment at 31%, also hitting a record high.
Overall, while Tesla faced some delivery shortfalls and plateauing auto sales, it managed to improve profitability across its segments, with key milestones in cost reductions and positive trends in gross margins.
Tesla’s Margins and Cash Flow Performance
Tesla’s industry-leading margins are driven by three major advantages:
1.Economies of Scale: Achieved through its expansive gigafactories.
2.Direct-to-Consumer Sales**: Tesla sells directly online and through its showrooms, bypassing traditional dealership networks.
3.Low Marketing Costs: Tesla spends very little on advertising compared to traditional automakers.
While Tesla expects its margins to expand over time due to growth in its non-automotive segments and software sales, its automotive margins have been pressured by price cuts in the last two years to sustain demand.
Cash Flow Highlights:
-Operating Cash Flow**: Increased by 89%, reaching $6.3 billion
-Free Cash Flow**: Jumped by 223%, hitting $2.7 billion
These cash flow figures stood out in the quarterly report, demonstrating Tesla’s ability to fund its ambitious plans for autonomy despite heavy investments in AI.
Guidance
1.FY24 Improvement: Tesla now expects slight growth in vehicle deliveries for FY24 (previous guidance indicated “notably lower” growth), implying a record-setting Q4 to make up for a weaker first half. Energy storage deployment is projected to more than double.
2.FY25 Outlook Surprise: During the earnings call, Musk forecasted 20% to 30% delivery growth in FY25, surpassing market expectations. A new, more affordable model is anticipated to launch in the first half of FY25, potentially easing investor concerns about competition.
3.New Product Strategy: The upcoming affordable vehicles in 2025 will be based on Tesla’s existing platform, indicating less dramatic cost reductions than previously suggested. However, the Robotaxi will bring a fresh manufacturing strategy.
Key Takeaways
1.Volumes Rebounded: After a 7% decline in deliveries during the first half of 2024, volumes recovered in Q3. Prices have stabilized, and Tesla’s focus on reducing unit costs contributed to improved automotive gross margins. Management’s priorities remain on unit volume and maintaining low inventory levels.
2.More than Just EVs: Non-automotive segments, such as Energy and Services, accounted for 20% of Tesla’s revenue this quarter, up from 16% a year ago. Likewise, these segments contributed about 20% of Tesla’s gross margin, nearly double from the previous year. As these segments grow, their impact on Tesla’s profitability will become increasingly significant.
3.Operating Margin Gains: Improved by 3 percentage points year-over-year:
-Negative Impact: Price cuts, mainly due to financing incentives.
-Positive Impact**: Lower costs per vehicle, growth in non-auto segments, FSD revenue, increased deliveries, and higher regulatory credit revenue.
4.Free Cash Flow Surge: Doubled sequentially to $2.7 billion. Capital expenditures increased by 43% to $3.5 billion, largely driven by investments in AI infrastructure. Tesla plans to spend over $10 billion on AI this year.
5.Strong Balance Sheet: Tesla maintains a net cash position of nearly $30 billion, which management believes provides ample liquidity to support its product roadmap and sustain positive cash flow margins.
We, Robot’ Event Takeaways
Key insights from the recent announcements include:
- Cybercab (Robotaxi): Tesla introduced the much-awaited Cybercab, a sleek two-seater, but key technical details—such as sensor configurations and processing capabilities—were notably absent. Musk’s decision to forgo lidar technology, a feature commonly used by competitors like Waymo, could potentially raise regulatory concerns about safety and compliance.
1.Optimus (Humanoid Robot): While the Optimus robots were a hit at the event, performing tasks like serving drinks and dancing, this entertaining display overshadowed the reality of how far the technology is from practical use. Reports indicated that the robots were primarily operated by humans, raising questions about their actual autonomous capabilities and readiness for industrial applications.
2.Robovan: A surprise announcement was the debut of the Robovan, a versatile vehicle intended for both mass transit and cargo transport. Its stylish Art Deco-inspired design drew attention, but like the Cybercab, it lacked concrete details or technical insights to convince analysts that the product is close to entering production. The presentation didn’t provide enough information to quell investor skepticism about its feasibility.
3. Full Self-Driving (FSD) Progress: Elon Musk projected that Tesla’s FSD technology would achieve full autonomy by 2026, with the Cybercab and current models (like the Model 3 and Model Y) spearheading this effort in Texas and California. However, Musk’s history of ambitious FSD promises has been met with ongoing skepticism, and this presentation did little to change that. No new safety data or significant updates were provided to address reliability concerns, leaving regulatory and safety issues unresolved. Tesla still faces significant challenges in proving its FSD capabilities are ready for public use without human oversight and in obtaining regulatory approval at both federal and state levels.
4.Market Reaction: Analysts expressed mixed feelings about the event. While some found the futuristic concepts inspiring, others noted the lack of substantial progress and the vague nature of Musk’s promises. This left investors questioning how close Tesla truly is to achieving its autonomy and robotics goals. For many, the event leaned more towards spectacle than solid evidence of progress.
Shareholder Deck Updates
1.Supercharger Network: Tesla’s Supercharger Network received widespread industry support, with most automakers now adopting Tesla’s North American Charging Standard (NACS). This acceptance is likely to boost Tesla’s Services segment and improve its margins in the long term. The number of Supercharger stations increased by 20% year-over-year to 6,706. Tesla also rehired some of the nearly 500 Supercharger team members who had been laid off earlier in the year, indicating renewed focus on this segment.
2.Market Share: Tesla’s market share remained steady in North America and Europe on a sequential basis, but saw a noticeable improvement in China, signaling stronger competitiveness in the region.
These details paint a picture of a company with promising ambitions but facing significant challenges in bringing its bold visions to reality. Investors will be watching closely for concrete progress and clearer timelines moving forward.
Key Updates from the Earnings Call
Full Self-Driving (FSD) Progress
- Tesla has surpassed 2 billion miles driven using its FSD (supervised) technology, which forms a core part of the company’s data advantage. This milestone underpins Tesla’s long-term autonomy thesis. Additionally, Tesla launched **FSD version 12.5** and introduced the Actually Smart Summon feature, enabling vehicles to autonomously drive to their owners in parking lots.
AI Training Capacity
- Musk shared that Tesla expects to have **nearly 90,000 H100 clusters dedicated to AI training** by the end of the year, enhancing the company’s machine learning capabilities.
Energy Storage Deployments
- Tesla deployed **6.9 GWh of energy storage** in Q3, although this fell short of the record 9.4 GWh achieved in Q2. The 40 GWh Megafactory in Lathrop is ramping up production, reaching 200 Megapacks in a single week. The **Shanghai Megafactory** is set to start shipping Megapacks in Q1 2025 with a run rate of 20 GWh. Tesla noted that energy deployments are inherently lumpy due to factors such as customer readiness and geographic order locations.
Key Quotes from the Earnings Call
Elon on the Cybercab:
- “I do feel confident of Cybercab reaching volume production in ‘26. We’re aiming for at least 2 million units a year, maybe 4 million ultimately.”
Musk envisions the Cybercab becoming a global, high-volume autonomous vehicle service. However, achieving this scale requires overcoming two major challenges: delivering level 5 autonomy at a competitive cost and navigating regulatory approval across regions with varying laws, road conditions, and weather considerations.
- Musk also dismissed the notion of a regular low-cost model, stating, “I think having a regular $ 25,000 model* is pointless.” He emphasized focusing on the Cybercab as a generational leap forward.
Musk on FSD:
- “Our internal estimate is **Q2 of next year** to be safer than human and then to continue with rapid improvements thereafter.”
He expressed confidence that full autonomy could be achieved in 2025 with existing vehicle models, although regulatory hurdles and safety standards remain significant barriers.
On Tesla’s Ridesharing App
- Tesla is already testing a *ridesharing capability* in the Bay Area for employees, with safety drivers currently in place. Musk anticipates launching the service for the public in California and Texas next year, pending regulatory approval. He added, “**I’d be shocked if we don’t get approval next year**,” but acknowledged that regulatory timelines are out of Tesla’s control.
Musk on Optimus:
- “We’re the only company that really has all of the ingredients necessary to scale humanoid robots.” He believes that the *Optimus robot* could become the “most valuable product ever made,” owing to Tesla’s combined AI and manufacturing advantages. However, the product remains at an early development stage and will likely take years to fully commercialize.
On Tesla’s Valuation:
- Musk reiterated his bold prediction: “Tesla will become the most valuable company in the world and probably by a long shot” He argued that Tesla’s strategic focus on future advancements in energy, transport, robotics, and AI sets it apart from competitors who are only targeting short-term trends.
Waymo, Uber, and Rideshare Future
There are two distinct paths to achieving full autonomy
1.Waymo’s Approach: Waymo focuses on highly structured, geo-fenced environments with extensive pre-mapping and sensor-based systems like lidar to ensure safety.
2.Tesla’s Approach: Tesla aims to develop a generalized self-driving system that works with computer vision and AI, relying on its fleet’s extensive data advantage and scaling software improvements. However, Tesla’s reluctance to use lidar technology and regulatory challenges could hinder its timeline for achieving level 5 autonomy.
These differing strategies highlight the varied paths to delivering a future of autonomous transportation, with each approach facing unique technical and regulatory hurdles.
Levels of Autonomy
- Tesla's FSD (Supervised): Tesla’s Full Self-Driving system remains at **Level 2**, meaning it still requires driver supervision to operate. In contrast, **Waymo** operates at **Level 4** in certain cities, where its vehicles can drive without human intervention, albeit under specific conditions.
-Jumping Levels: Musk’s vision for the Cybercab aims to skip from Level 2 to **Level 5 autonomy**, which implies no need for human input at all—a huge leap.
Technology Approach
-Tesla’s Strategy: Tesla relies on a **camera and AI-only approach**, focusing on software and data scalability rather than expensive hardware. Musk’s bet is that advanced software can eventually solve all driving scenarios.
- Waymo’s Strategy: Waymo uses a **hardware-intensive model** with a combination of LiDAR, radar, and cameras**, providing highly precise navigation. However, the reliance on multiple sensors leads to higher production costs per vehicle, around **$200,000** each.
Scaling Challenges
-Waymo’s Limitation: The high cost of Waymo's vehicles has hindered its ability to scale quickly, while Tesla plans to leverage its extensive fleet data to improve its autonomous systems over time.
-Tesla’s Repeated Delays: Despite its aspirations, Tesla’s full autonomy timeline has faced numerous delays. Scaling quickly while achieving robust and safe autonomy remains a significant challenge for the company.
Safety and Regulation
-Waymo’s Approach: Waymo has built trust with regulators by deploying vehicles cautiously in select cities and prioritizing safety, but its operations remain limited geographically.
-Tesla’s Regulatory Hurdles: The Cybercab’s design lacks traditional controls like steering wheels and pedals, raising concerns about regulatory approval. These changes could face substantial scrutiny, particularly if safety standards require features Tesla’s design omits.
Tesla and Uber: Competitors or Partners?
-Potential Partnership: Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi found the Cybercab vision "pretty compelling" and didn’t dismiss the possibility of a collaboration. Uber already partners with Waymo to offer autonomous rides in cities like **Phoenix, Atlanta, and Austin**. Khosrowshahi’s openness to partnership means there’s potential for Tesla's Cybercab fleet owners to list their vehicles on Uber to boost earnings.
-Hybrid Model: By leveraging Uber’s vast network, Tesla could quickly gain scale in local markets, especially given Uber’s capability to serve diverse customer needs. This could lead to a hybrid model where Tesla’s autonomous vehicles are available on Uber alongside other options.
Regulatory Challenges: An Obstacle to Elon’s Vision ?
-Waymo’s Critique: Former Waymo CEO John Krafcik criticized the Cybercab, highlighting its impracticality for a large-scale robotaxi business. Waymo’s approach focuses on accessibility and safety with taller vehicles and high-mounted sensors, whereas Tesla’s design was light on crucial technical details.
-Possible Lidar Mandate: Krafcik also noted that if regulators eventually require LiDAR technology for safety compliance, Tesla’s camera-only approach could face a significant setback. Regulatory decisions are beyond Tesla’s control and could fundamentally reshape its autonomy strategy.
-Musk’s Political Maneuvering: Musk’s political activities and controversies could complicate Tesla’s regulatory relations. Building strong connections with regulators is critical, given their power to greenlight or halt the Cybercab’s deployment.
Final Thoughts
The coming years will be pivotal for Tesla as it strives to overcome both techno logical and regulatory challenges. The success of Tesla’s autonomy plans hinges not just on its technological progress but also on its ability to navigate complex and varied regulatory frameworks worldwide. Whether Musk’s bold vision for full autonomy becomes a realityor remains a distant dream will depend on a combination of innovative breakthroughs and the company’s capacity to gain and maintain regulatory approval.
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