Even today’s giants have at some point dropped more than 90%“Our favorite holding period is forever.”
– Warren Buffett
Even today’s giants have, at some point, dropped more than 90%.
The guru and super-investor Warren Buffett has delivered many well-known investment quotes. But the truth is that most stocks underperform the index.
Only 4% of all stocks—an incredibly small share—are responsible for the entire long-term return of the stock market.
If you look at that small percentage of stocks driving long-term returns, many of them have also fallen more than 90% from their peak at some point early in their development.
It’s very common for new technologies to get heavily hyped during the early years, only to crash when profitability fails to materialize.
What is extremely rare and unique is when a stock drops >90% and then goes on to make a new all-time high.
A rough estimate suggests that less than 0.1–0.5% of all listed stocks on, for example, the NYSE or Nasdaq, have historically managed this.
Some of those rare cases are found among the 4% of stocks that pull the market upward. Here are a few examples:
1. Apple
Fell more than 90% from its peak around the turn of the millennium (dotcom bubble).
Recovered in the early 2000s and has since increased by thousands of percent to new all-time highs.
2. Amazon
Dropped approximately 95% after the dotcom crash (from $113 to $5.97).
Reached a new all-time high around 2007 and later climbed above $3,000 before its stock split.
3. Netflix
Dropped more than 90% twice, once around 2003 and again in 2011.
Recovered each time and went on to hit new record levels.
4. Booking Holdings
Fell over 99% from its dotcom-era peak (from $990 to $6).
Recovered over several years and eventually surpassed $2,000 before the pandemic.
The crash in green energy can be compared to the dotcom crash.
Most companies dropped 90–99%, and many disappeared entirely.
A few (Amazon, Apple, etc.) had the right vision and survived. The overhyped technology combined with massive capital inflows fueled their rise.
Similarly, many companies in green energy—like Minesto—have attracted large amounts of capital from investors, shareholders, and through substantial grants from both the EU and national governments.
This led to companies being pumped up to unrealistic valuations. Without proven profitability a few years after the hype, nearly all have fallen over 90%, and some have vanished from the market entirely.
Even though things look bleak for green energy—and Minesto in particular—there are strong similarities to today's giants like Amazon, Apple, Netflix, and others.
If you compare Amazon to Minesto, Amazon fell -95.12% from December ’99 to October ’01.
Minesto has dropped -96.39% from its peak in July 2020 to April 2025.
What would it take for Minesto to stage a similar comeback as Amazon?
Those who managed to recover after the dotcom crash had four things in common:
Amazon
Technological edge – Amazon had a scalable platform.
Financing – Survived a capital drought.
Timing – A new internet breakthrough around 2005–2007.
Patience from the market – The stock remained dormant for a long time.
Minesto
Technological edge – Unique technology for harvesting energy from underwater currents.
Financing – Requires strong support and investment appetite (both public and private).
Timing – The green transition and the EU’s energy shift between 2025–2035.
Patience from the market – Investors must be willing to wait several years.
What’s the difference between Amazon and Minesto?
The internet market was digital and could grow exponentially with nearly zero marginal costs.
For Minesto, scaling is much harder as it requires heavy infrastructure, long lead times, and significantly more capital.
However, once a solution like this gains commercial traction in the green energy sector—when the technology is proven and recognized as a crucial component in the energy transition—the returns could be massive, just like they were for today’s giants such as Amazon.
Warren Buffett’s well-known investment advice, mentioned at the beginning, applies only to a very small subset of stocks.
And more likely than not, it means that as an investor, you will need to endure a drop of more than 90% before witnessing the company evolve into a giant within its sector.
Title: Against the Grain: Exploring the Contrarian Investment CaContrarian investing involves deliberately going against prevailing market sentiment. It's about identifying potentially undervalued assets that the majority of investors might be overlooking or unduly pessimistic about. In the world of heavy industry and commercial vehicles, Volvo Group (AB Volvo) – the manufacturer of trucks, buses, construction equipment, and engines, distinct from the passenger car maker Volvo Cars – presents an interesting case study for potential contrarian investors. While facing headwinds common to cyclical industries, several factors could make Volvo Group an attractive proposition for those willing to look beyond short-term concerns.
Why the Market Might Be Hesitant (The Prevailing Sentiment)
To understand the contrarian case, we first need to acknowledge why the broader market might be cautious about Volvo Group:
Cyclicality: Volvo Group's core markets (trucking, construction) are highly sensitive to economic cycles. Fears of a global economic slowdown or recession often lead investors to sell shares of cyclical companies like Volvo, anticipating decreased demand for new trucks and equipment.
Electrification Transition: The shift away from diesel towards electric and potentially hydrogen-powered commercial vehicles is a massive undertaking. It requires significant R&D investment, new manufacturing processes, and faces challenges like charging infrastructure and battery costs. The market may worry about execution risks, high costs impacting profitability, and competition from both established players and new entrants (like Tesla Semi).
Geopolitical and Supply Chain Risks: As a global manufacturer, Volvo Group is exposed to geopolitical tensions, trade disputes, and potential disruptions in complex global supply chains, which can impact production and costs.
Intense Competition: Volvo operates in highly competitive markets, facing strong rivals like Daimler Truck, PACCAR (Kenworth, Peterbilt, DAF), Traton Group (Scania, MAN), and Caterpillar in construction equipment.
The Contrarian Argument: Why Volvo Group Might Be Undervalued
A contrarian investor might look past these concerns and focus on Volvo Group's underlying strengths and potential catalysts:
Market Leadership and Brand Strength: Volvo Group holds strong market positions globally, particularly in heavy-duty trucks (with brands like Volvo Trucks, Mack Trucks, Renault Trucks) and construction equipment (Volvo CE). The Volvo brand is globally recognized for quality, safety, and reliability, commanding customer loyalty.
Proactive Electrification Strategy: Far from being a laggard, Volvo Group has been quite proactive in the transition to zero-emission transport. It is already delivering series-produced electric trucks and construction equipment and is investing heavily in battery technology and fuel cells (e.g., through its cellcentric joint venture with Daimler Truck). A contrarian might argue the market underestimates Volvo's ability to navigate this transition successfully, leveraging its existing scale, dealer network, and customer relationships.
Strong Service and Aftermarket Business: A significant portion of Volvo's revenue and profits comes from services, spare parts, and financing. This aftermarket business is generally less cyclical and more stable than new vehicle sales, providing a resilient income stream even during downturns.
Financial Health and Shareholder Returns: Historically, Volvo Group has demonstrated robust financial management, generating solid cash flows and often rewarding shareholders with attractive dividends. If the stock price is depressed due to cyclical fears, the dividend yield could become particularly appealing, offering income while waiting for a potential market recovery or re-rating.
Potential Undervaluation: The core of the contrarian argument often rests on valuation. If market pessimism has driven Volvo Group's share price down excessively relative to its earnings, cash flow, book value, or future prospects, it could represent a value opportunity. Contrarians believe the market may be overly focused on short-term cyclical risks, ignoring the company's long-term strengths and resilience.
Infrastructure Spending Tailwinds: Long-term government initiatives focused on infrastructure renewal and development in various parts of the world could provide a sustained tailwind for Volvo's construction equipment division and, indirectly, for its truck business.
Risks Remain
It's crucial to remember that contrarian investing is inherently risky. The market's pessimism might be justified. A severe global recession could significantly impact Volvo's earnings. The transition to electrification could prove more costly or difficult than anticipated. Competitive pressures could intensify further. Therefore, thorough due diligence is essential.
Conclusion
Volvo Group (AB Volvo) presents a potentially compelling case for contrarian investors. While facing legitimate concerns related to economic cycles and the complex transition to electrification, the company possesses significant strengths: market leadership, a strong brand, a robust service business, proactive steps in electrification, and potentially an attractive valuation if market fears are overblown.
For investors with a longer-term horizon who believe the market may be too pessimistic about the prospects for heavy commercial vehicles and construction equipment, and who trust in Volvo Group's ability to navigate the ongoing industry transformation, the stock could warrant closer examination as a potential contrarian opportunity. However, as with any investment, especially a contrarian one, detailed analysis of the company's financials, strategy, competitive positioning, and current valuation is critical before making any commitment.
ABB - much needed consolidationABB - after years of steady rise it is time to correct the wave 3 (red count)
This will give investors who believe in the company a good opportunity to get more shares at a discount price.
I predict that at around 440 - 500 SEK the stock will continue to rise in valuation with a potential of about 50% increase before starting the next correction (wave 4) as part of the green wave degree.
EVOLUTION A/B in demand zoneFor all those interested in the stock we seem to be at a major support. We already bounced once of this area quite a while ago. Currently there are no high-conviction signs of strength on the daily or weekly chart. What can be observed is a bull divergence on the daily on RSI. Trading volumes are trending up, very slightly. For those with more patience I would watch 620 and 550 levels.
Swedbank Just Did Something It Hasn't Done in 18 Years!Hi all,
A few weeks ago, at the Estonian finance conference, I pointed out that Swedbank needs a Monthly candle close above a historically significant level to confirm further upside into "open waters".
Before I dive deeper - if someone still claims that "price has no history" or "price doesn't repeat itself," just show them Swedbank’s chart. Back in 2007, Swedbank attempted to break the 215–228 SEK level for the first time. The result? A complete failure. Sellers took control and smashed the price down.
Fast forward 7–10 years: “Let’s try again a few more times!” Still nothing. The level remained unbreakable, draining all momentum. Over the past 18 years, this zone has been tested 7–9 times, and every single attempt ended in failure.
Now, today, things are changed. Today, we have that Monthly close, and the price has now entered a potential buying zone. Technically, Swedbank is ready - optimal zone 215 to 237 SEK!
Do your homework; this is just my opinion and my analysis!
Do not forget to "Boost" the idea - all the best,
Vaido
$SVED Market UpdateOn the 4H timeframe, the trend has shifted bullish. The stock pulled back on Friday, but it did not close below the demand zone, which was previously a supply zone.
On the weekly timeframe, there is massive trading volume between 44 and 46, making these levels key areas to watch. The stock could either break through and continue making new highs, stall, or reverse from here.
⚠️ What happens next depends on the new trading volume at these levels. However, one thing is clear, a weekly candle rarely lies, so keeping an eye on this range is crucial.
BUY ATCO_AOn ATCO_A, you can see that it started going higher and higher, again after the brake it did after swipping the liquidity at 170.65, to give us a confirmation of the bullish movement.
Now for those who bought, you can watch how the price reacts in every levels in between the 1st and the 3rd target before reaching the main one which is at 220.3.
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