SuperTrend Entry(My goal creating this indicator) : Provide a way to enter the market systematically, automatically create Stop Loss Levels and Take Profit Levels, and provide the position size of each entry based on a fix Percentage of the traders account.
The Underlying Concept :
What is Momentum?
The Momentum shown is derived from a Mathematical Formula, SUPERTREND. When price closes above Supertrend Its bullish Momentum when its below Supertrend its Bearish Momentum. This indicator scans for candle closes on the current chart and when there is a shift in momentum (price closes below or above SUPERTREND) it notifies the trader with a Bar Color change.
Technical Inputs
- If you want to optimize the rate of signals to better fit your trading plan you would change the Factor input and ATR Length input. Increase factor and ATR Length to decrease the frequency of signals and decrease the Factor and ATR Length to increase the frequency of signals.
Quick TIP! : You can Sync all VFX SuperTrend Indicators together! All VFX SuperTrend indicators display unique information but its all derived from that same Momentum Formula. Keep the Factor input and ATR Length the same on other VFX SuperTrend indicators to have them operating on the same data.
Display Inputs
- The indicator has a candle overlay option you can toggle ON or OFF. If toggled ON the candles color will represent the momentum of your current chart ( bullish or bearish Momentum)
your able to change the colors that represent bullish or bearish to your preference
- You can toggle on which shows the exact candle momentum switched sides
your able to change the colors that represent a bullish switch or bearish switch to your preference
- The trader can specify which point you would like your stop loss to reference. (Low and High) Which uses the Low of the Momentum signal as the reference for your Stop Loss during buy signals and the High as the reference during sell signals. Or (Lowest Close and Highest Close) which uses the Lowest Close of the Momentum signal as the reference for your Stop Loss during buys and the Highest Close as the reference during sells.
- The colors that represent your Stop Loses and Take Profits can also be changed
Risk Management Inputs
- Your Risk MANAGMENT section is used to set up how your Stop Loss and Take Profit are calculated
- You have the option to take in account Volatility when calculating your Stop Loss. A adjusted ATR formula is used to achieve this. Increase Stop Loss Multiplier from 0 to widen stops.
- Increase Take Profit Multiplier from 0 to access visual Take Profit Levels based on your Stop Loss. This will be important for traders that Prefer trading using risk rewards. For Example: If the the Take Profit Multiplier is 3 a Take Profit level 3 times the size or your stop loss from your entry will be shown and a price number corresponding to that Take Profit Level becomes available.
- Enter your current Account size, Bet Percentage and Fixed Spread to get your Position Size for each trade
-Toggle on the Current Trade Chart and easily get the size of your Position and the exact price of your Take Profit and Stop Loss.
You can increase the Size of the Current Trade Chart= Tiny, Small, Normal, Large, Huge and change the Position of the Current
trade Chart to your preference, (Top- Right, Center, Left) (Middle- Right, Center, Left) (Bottom- Right, Center, Left).
How it can be used ?
- Enter Trades and always know where your stop is going to be
- Eliminate the need to manual calculate Position Size
- Get a consistent view of the current charts momentum
- Systematical enter trades
- Reduce information overload
Takeprofit
Take Profit On Trend v2 (by BHD_Trade_Bot)The purpose of strategy is to detect long-term uptrend and short-term downtrend so that you can easy to take profit.
The strategy also using BHD unit to detect how big you win and lose, so that you can use this strategy for all coins without worry about it have different percentage of price change.
ENTRY
The buy order is placed on assets that have long-term uptrend and short-term downtrend:
- Long-term uptrend condition: ema200 is going up
- Short-term downtrend condition: 2 last candles are down price (use candlestick for less delay)
CLOSE
The sell order is placed when take profit or stop loss:
- Take profit: price increase 2 BHD unit
- Stop loss: price decrease 3 BHD unit
The strategy use $1000 for initial capital and trading fee is 0.1% for each order.
Pro tip: The 1-hour time frame for ETH/USDT has the best results on average.
R:R Trading System FrameworkFirst off, huge thanks to @fikira! He was able to adapt what I built to work much more efficiently, allowing for more strategies to be used simultaneously. Simply put, I could not have gotten to this point without you. Thanks for what you do for the TV community. Second, I am fairly new to pinescript writing, so I welcome criticism, thoughtful input and improvement suggestions. I would love to grow this concept into something even better, if possible. So please let me know if you have any ideas for improvement. However I do juggle a lot of different things outside of TV, so implementations may be delayed.
I have decided, at this time, not to add alerts. First, because I feel most people looking to adapt this framework can add their own pretty easily. Also, given how customized the framework is currently, while also attempting to account for all the possible ways in which people may want alerts to function after they customize it, it seems best to leave them out as it doesn't exactly fit the idea of a framework.
For best viewing, I recommend hovering over the script's name > ... > Visual order > Bring to front. Also I found hollow candles with mono-toned colors (like pictured) are more visually appealing for me personally. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND USING WITH BAR REPLAY TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE FRAMEWORK'S FUNCTIONALITY.
▶️ WHAT THIS FRAMEWORK IS
- A huge collection of concepts and capabilities for those trying to better understand, learn, or teach pinescript.
- A system designed to showcase Risk:Reward concepts more holistically by providing all of the most popular components of retail trading to include backtesting, trade visual plotting, position tracking, market condition shifts, and useful info while positioned to help highlight changes in your risk:reward based decision-making processes.
- A system that can showcase individual strategies regardless of trade direction, allowing you to develop hedging strategies without having multiple indicators that do not correlate with each other.
- Designed around the idea that you trade less numbers of assets but manage your positions and risk based on multiple concurrently running strategies to manage your risk exposure and reward potential.
- An attempt to combine all the things you need to execute with an active trading management style.
- A framework that uses backtested results (in this case the number of averaged bars it takes to hit key levels) in real-time to inform your risk:reward decision-making while in-trade (in this case in your Trade Tracking Table using dynamic color to show how you might be early, on-time, or late compared to the average amount of backtested time it normally takes to hit that specific key level).
▶️ WHAT THIS FRAMEWORK IS NOT
- A complete trading product. DO NOT USE as-is. It is a FRAMEWORK for you to generate ideas of your own and fairly easily implement your own triggering conditions in the appropriate sections of the script.
▶️ USE CASES
- If you decide you like the Stop, Target, Trailing Stop, and Risk:Reward components as-is, then just understanding how to plug in your Entry and Bullish / Bearish conditions (Triangles) and adjust the input texts to match your custom naming will be all you need to make it your own!
- If you want to adapt certain components, then this system gives you a great starting point to adapt your different concepts and ideas from.
▶️ SYSTEM COMPONENTS
- Each of the system's components are described via tooltips both in the input menu and in the tables' cells.
- Each label on the chart displays the corresponding price at those triggered conditions on hover with tooltips.
- The Trailing Stop only becomes active once it is above the Entry Price for that trade, and brightens to show it is active. The STOP line (right of price) moves once it takes over for the Entry Stop representing the level of the Trailing Stop at that time for that trade.
- The Lines / Labels to the right of price will brighten once price is above for Longs or below for Shorts. The Trade Tracking Table cells will add ☑️ once price is above for Longs or below for Shorts.
- The brighter boxes on the chart show the trades that occurred based on your criteria and are color coded for all components of each trade type to ensure your references are consistent. (Defaults are TV built-in strategies)
- The lighter boxes on the chart show the highest and lowest price levels reached during those trades, to highlight areas where improvements can be made or additional considerations can be accounted for by either adjusting Entry triggers or Bullish / Bearish triggers.
- Default Green and Red Triangles (Bullish / Bearish) default to having the same triggering condition as the Entry it corresponds to. This is to highlight either a pyramiding concept, early exit, or you can change to account for other things occurring during your trades which could help you with Stop and Target management/considerations.
TradingView and many of its community members have done a lot for me, so this is my attempt to give back.
Squeeze Momentum Strategy [LazyBear] Buy Sell TP SL Alerts-Modified version of Squeeze Momentum Indicator by @LazyBear.
-Converted to version 5,
-Taken inspiration from @KivancOzbilgic for its buy sell calculations,
-Used @Bunghole strategy template with Take Profit, Stop Loss and Enable/Disable Toggles
-Added Custom Date Backtesting Module
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All credit goes to above
Problem with original version:
The original Squeeze Momentum Strategy did not have buy sell signals and there was alot of confusion as to when to enter and exit.
There was no proper strategy that would allow backtesting on which further analysis could be carried out.
There are 3 aspects this strategy:
1 ) Strategy Logic (easily toggleable from the dropdown menu from strategy settings)
- LazyBear (I have made this simple by using Kivanc technique of Momentums Moving Average Crossover, BUY when MA cross above signal line, SELL when crossdown signal line)
- Zero Crossover Line (BUY signal when crossover zero line, and SELL crossdown zero line)
2) Long Short TP and SL
- In strategies there is usually only 1 SL and 1 TP, and it is assumed that if a 2% SL giving a good profit %, then it would be best for both long and short. However this is not the case for many. Many markets/pairs, go down with much more speed then they go up with. Hence once we have a profitable backtesting setting, then we should start optimizing Long and Short SL's seperately. Once that is done, we should start optimizing for Long and Short TP's separately, starting with Longs first in both cases.
3) Enable and Disable Toggles of Long and Short Trades
- Many markets dont allow short trades, or are not suitable for short trades. In this case it would be much more feasible to disable "Short" Trading and see results of Long Only as a built in graphic view of backtestor provides a more easy to understand data feed as compared to the performance summary in which you have to review long and short profitability separately.
4) Custom Data Backtesting
- One of most crucial aspects while optimizing for backtesting is to check a strategies performance on uptrends, downtrend and sideways markets seperately as to understand the weak points of strategy.
- Once you enable custom date backtesting, you will see lines on the chart which can be dragged left right based on where you want to start and end the backtesting from and to.
Note:
- Not a financial advise
- Open to feedback, questions, improvements, errors etc.
- More info on how the squeeze momentum works visit LazyBear indicator link:
Happy Trading!
Cheers
M Tahreem Alam @mtahreemalam
Strategy Backtesting Template [MYN]A few people have been asking me to share my backtesting template. Currently I use this as my starting point for validating existing strategies and developing new ones.
Features:
Trading Date Range
Trade Direction
4 progressive take profits with target percents and percentage of position to take profit on (Thanks adolgo)
Variable percentage Stop Loss
Automatic ProfitView Alert Syntax builder for Longs and Shorts
ADX checkbox to automatically add conditional logic to your strategy
ATR MultiplierOVERVIEW
The Average True Range Multiplier (ATRX) is a simple technical indicator that takes the value of the ATR indicator and multiplies it by a user-specified amount.
CONCEPTS
This indicator is primarily used to set key levels based on historical volatility. The ATR indicator alone measures the historical volatility of the selected instrument, this indicator just multiplies that value to save the hassle of doing that yourself.
TUE ADX/MACD Confluence V1.0The ADX and MACD confluence can be a powerful predictor in stock movements. This script will help you find those confluences in an easy to understand visual manner.
It includes Buy and Sell signals for detected confluences, and will show colored candles to help you determine when to exit a trade. When the candles turn to white that means the detected confluence is no longer in play and you may want to consider a trailing stop loss.
The Buy and Sell signals will display on the first occurrence of each confluence.
It's important to understand that both of these are lagging indicators, but with a careful attention to your stoploss you can easily generate a positive profit factor.
This code is provided open source and you're free to use it for any purpose other than resale.
Oversold RSI with tight SL Strategy (by Coinrule)This is one of the best strategies that can be used to get familiar with technical indicators and start to include them in your trading bot rules.
ENTRY
1. This trading system uses the RSI ( Relative Strength Index ) to anticipate good points to enter positions. RSI is a technical indicator frequently used in trading. It works by measuring the speed and change of price movements to determine whether a coin is oversold (indicating a good entry point) or overbought (indicating a point of exit/entry for a short position). The RSI oscillates between 0 and 100 and is traditionally considered overbought when over 70 and oversold when below 30.
2. To pick the right moment to buy, the strategy enters a trade when the RSI falls below 30 indicating the coin is oversold and primed for a trend reversal.
EXIT
The strategy then exits the position when the price appreciates 7% from the point of entry. The position also maintains a tight stop-loss and closes the position if the price depreciates 1% from the entry price. The idea behind this is to cut your losing trades fast and let your winners ride.
The best time frame for this strategy based on our backtesting data is the daily. Shorter time frames can also work well on certain coins, however in our experience, the daily works best. Feel free to experiment with this script and test it on a variety of your coins! With our backtesting data a trading fee of 0.1% is taken into account. The fee is aligned to the base fee applied on Binance, which is the largest cryptocurrency exchange by volume. In the example shown, this strategy made a handsome net profit of 39.31% on Chainlink with 61.54% of trades being profitable.
Supertrend with TP by Furkan SancuSimple Supertrend strategy with Take Profit levels.
Note: Make sure TP amounts add up to 100.
Opens a position with Supertrends strategy then adds Take Profit points with certain amounts of current position.
RSI+PA+PrTPHi everybody,
This strategy is a RSI, Price Averaging, Pyramiding Strategy based on the earlier RSI+PA+DCA strategy. See below.
For this slightly different strategy I left the DCA option out and instead focused on the Take Profit calculation. In the previous strategy the Take Profit was directly connected to the Average Price level with a specified take profit %. When the price reached the Take Profit all positions where exited. The strategy opened multiple position based on the PA price levels. The separate positions can close when they reach separately specified Take Profit Limit. Each time the prices crosses the PA layer again the position can be re-opened. This causes the average price to drop each time a separate position is opened and closed.
I thought it was an interesting way to minimize losses and in general it works fine. Only when the market goes bearish it can cause significant losses
For the lack of a better word, I dubbed it Progressive Take Profit. The PrTP works different and is less risky. It doesn't directly follow the average price development and is calculated for a part based on the estimated profits of the separate closed positions. Every time a separate position is closed, the profit of that position is deducted of the Take Profit Limit. This causes the Take Profit Limit to drop les drastically then the average price and the whole position will only be closed when the separately opened and closed positions made up for the biggest losses.
There are still some aspects in the puzzle that are not fully worked out yet and I am still working on it, but I wanted to share this idea already and maybe you have some thoughts about it.
The next step is to re-implement a better worked out DCA function.
To be continued.
Take profit Multi timeframeRepublish:
Take profit Multi timeframe:
In this scipts, I build risk-reward system managemant. You can take profit in two way: percent or at resistant in higher timeframe or both.
Strategy in this scripts, I use Wave trend indicator as example strategy.
ATR BandsIn many strategies, it's quite common to use a scaled ATR to help define a stop-loss, and it's not uncommon to use it for take-profit targets as well. While it's possible to use the built-in ATR indicator and manually calculate the offset value, we felt this wasn't particularly intuitive or efficient, and could lead to the potential for miscalculations. And while there are quite a few indicators that plot ATR bands in some form or another already on TV, we could not find one that actually performed the exact way that we wanted. They all had at least one of the following gaps:
The ATR offset was not configurable (usually hard-coded to be based off the high or low, while we generally prefer to use close)
It would only print a single band (either the upper or lower), which would require the same indicator to be added twice
The ATR scaling factor was either not configurable or only stepped in whole numbers (often time fractional factors like 1.5 yield better results)
To that end, we took to making this enhanced version to meet all of the above requirements. While we were doing so, we decided to take this opportunity to also make some non-functional enhancements as well:
Updated the indicator to the most recent version of Pine
Updated the indicator definition to allow alternate (non-chart) timeframe usage
Made the input types explicitly defined to improve consistency
Updated the inputs with appropriate minimum values and step sizes where appropriate
Separated settings into logical groups
Added helptext to the indicator settings noting usage and common settings values
Explicitly titled the on-chart plots of the ATR bands so that they can more easily be identified and referenced in other indicators/scripts, as well as the Data Window
Food for thought : When looking at some of the behaviors of these ATR bands, you can see that when price first levels out, you can draw a "consolidation zone" from the first peak of the upper ATR band to the first valley of the lower ATR band that price will generally respect. Look for price to break and close outside of that zone. When that happens, price will usually (but not always) make a notable move in that direction, which can be used as either a potential trigger or as an additional confluence with other indicators/price action.
Finally, while we have made what we feel are some noteworthy updates and enhancements to this indicator, and have every intention of continuing to do so as we find worthy opportunities for enhancement, credit is still due to the original author: AlexanderTeaH
Strategy Execution Template - Master PatternThis script is a template to execute your strategy with Stop Loss and Take Profit and showing Trades.
Then, you can write your strategy without taking care of Stop Loss and Take Profit method.
3x Fixed Percent Stop Loss, Trailing Percent Stop Loss, Trailing ATR Stop Loss, Tailing HHLL Stop Loss
3x Fixed Percent, Take Profit
Kahlman HullMA / WT Cross StrategyA strategy created using Hull Moving Average and WT Cross .
Hull Moving Average turns green and WT Cross crossover this is a long. Otherwise short.
Stop Loss and Take Profit settings are available. You can set it to the level you want or turn it off.
According to my measurements, it shows the best performance in the 4-hour period. But you can find the best settings that are correct from the Strategy settings.
multiple orders - strategy - educationalHi,
Here is a 'template', using array's, for multiple orders and different SL/TP levels per trade (This is an example with max 5 open trades)
The 'switch' makes sure that the first available position will be used,
for example, when 'L1' is closed in the past, and a buy condition is triggered, position 'L1' will be filled,
should it be that 'L1', 'L2', 'L3' are already filled, then position 'L4' will be filled, ...
An extra table is added with data of the trades
Be aware, the 'Buy and Hold' resembles the profit when 100% of the available equity has been bought at the time of the very first trade and sold now. On the other hand, the positions work with a % of equity, 20% per trade (5 x 20 = 100%)
You can see that every trade exits on its own terms, without interference of other trades
Important, this technique only works if in the strategy() function:
- close_entries_rule -> set at 'ANY'
- pyramiding is set at max amount of trades or higher (in this case 5 or higher)
Cheers!
RSI_OTT - TP/SLWhile creating this strategy, I was inspired by "ott(by Anıl Özekşi)" and "RSI + Bollinger Double Strategy(by ChartArt)".
Basically, the strategy uses ott bands instead of bollinger bands in the "RSI+Bollinger Double Strategy".
User can select take profit, stop loss, position direction(long, short or both) and the other ott parameters via interface.
Buy Monday, Exit Tuesday with Stop Loss and Take ProfitStrategy to go long at end of Monday before market closes and exit before Tuesday close, or at stop loss or take profit percentages
This runs strategy on entering by weekday name and also by session time.
Implemented are also Take Profit and Stop Loss to exit position using custom inputs.
Added stoploss and take profit plot lines
Anna-LysaEspecially useful when using it for stocks in intraday screening for daytrading.
This gives you quick information about the volatility at the moment when you look at the stock.
The current range of the last candles (adjustable) is calculated so that you can stop based on the Vola.
In addition, the daily volume and daily range are calculated in the table and what is left of the average.
So that you can adjust your ideas for the movement in order to take profit. No matter what the timeframe, you can see how the volume compares to that of the previous few candles and thus anticipate the most likely breakout.
Then the most relevant day trading levels ( Premarkets, Lastday high/lows and some Ma´s ) are shown so that you can get a very fast overview of the stock at the moment.
All levels and labels and colors are adjustable or hidden in the settings.
Levels Of Greed
The Levels Of Greed indicator is based on the same idea as the Levels Of Fear one and was suggested by several traders in the comment section. It helps analyze price advances to find the best levels for closing a long position in an asset after a quick surge or longer up-trend. In finance, volatility is a term that describes the degree of variation of an asset price over time. It is usually denoted by the letter σ (sigma) and estimated as the standard deviation of the asset price or price returns. The Levels Of Greed indicator helps measure the current price advance in the standard deviation units. It plots seven levels at distances of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 standard deviations (sigmas) above the base price (the recent lowest price or lower bound of the established range). In what follows, we will refer to these levels as levels of greed.
HOW TO USE
When the price in its surge reaches a certain level of greed, it means that it has surged from its recent lowest value by a corresponding number of standard deviations. The indicator helps traders see the maximum levels to which the price may rise and estimate the potential height of the current surge. Five-seven sigma surges are relatively rare events and correspond to significant market exuberance. Careful traders and shorter-term ones would not want to participate in the bandwagon effect and herd behavior that drive market bubbles. They prefer to take their profits when the market is not exceedingly overbought.
SETTINGS
Window : the averaging window or period of the indicator. The algorithm uses this parameter to calculate the base level and standard deviations. Higher values are better for measuring deeper and longer surges.
Levels Stability : the parameter used in the up-move detection. The higher the value is, the more stable and long the greed levels are, but at the same time, the lag increases. The lower it is, the faster the indicator responds to the price changes, but the greed levels are recalculated more frequently and are less stable. This parameter is mostly for fine-tuning. It does not change the overall picture much.
Mode : the parameter that defines the style for the labels. In the Cool Guys Mode, the indicator displays the labels as emojis. In the Serious Guys Mode, labels show the distance from the base level measured in standard deviation units or sigmas.
Levels Of Greed [AstrideUnicorn]The Levels Of Greed indicator is based on the same idea as the Levels Of Fear one and was suggested by several traders in the comment section. It helps analyze price advances to find the best levels for closing a long position in an asset after a quick surge or longer up-trend. In finance, volatility is a term that describes the degree of variation of an asset price over time. It is usually denoted by the letter σ (sigma) and estimated as the standard deviation of the asset price or price returns. The Levels Of Greed indicator helps measure the current price advance in the standard deviation units. It plots seven levels at distances of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 standard deviations (sigmas) above the base price (the recent lowest price or lower bound of the established range). In what follows, we will refer to these levels as levels of greed.
HOW TO USE
When the price in its surge reaches a certain level of greed, it means that it has surged from its recent lowest value by a corresponding number of standard deviations. The indicator helps traders see the maximum levels to which the price may rise and estimate the potential height of the current surge. Five-seven sigma surges are relatively rare events and correspond to significant market exuberance. Careful traders and shorter-term ones would not want to participate in the bandwagon effect and herd behavior that drive market bubbles. They prefer to take their profits when the market is not exceedingly overbought.
SETTINGS
Window : the averaging window or period of the indicator. The algorithm uses this parameter to calculate the base level and standard deviations. Higher values are better for measuring deeper and longer surges.
Levels Stability : the parameter used in the up-move detection. The higher the value is, the more stable and long the greed levels are, but at the same time, the lag increases. The lower it is, the faster the indicator responds to the price changes, but the greed levels are recalculated more frequently and are less stable. This parameter is mostly for fine-tuning. It does not change the overall picture much.
Mode : the parameter that defines the style for the labels. In the Cool Guys Mode , the indicator displays the labels as emojis. In the Serious Guys Mode , labels show the distance from the base level measured in standard deviation units or sigmas.
SignalsThis script allows you to calculate position size, and future profit, loses.
- You can add 3 target values and 1 stop loss
- Optionally you can display table, position it as you like, and see risk ratio
Plans:
- add profit loss to the labels
Kzx PT mod v1.0 by RX-RAYKzx Position tracker mod v1.0 by RX-RAY
Original script by K-zax
The modification was made for the USDRUB ticker (the number of digits in the values of price, interest, lot volume and profit loss for other tickers may affect the positioning of the inscription, but it is fully operative and it may be used with other tickers )
Typical label view:
74.30 - ENTRY PRICE
+/-0.16% - % of price chang ( range +/-9.99)
20 - position value (range 0-99)
(S) - position type (L) - long (S) - short
+/-0017 - actual profit/loss in cash (range +/- 9999)
(All range value for correct label position,
but script mod can be used out off range)
List of additions and changes:
1. Added display of position value, short / long position type and profit / loss value (including broker commission).
2. Positive interest change now corresponds to profit, negative change in interest to loss in accordance with the type of position ( short/long )
3. The position of the inscription and the digits of the values are fixed and now insignificantly depends on the change in the time interval and the change in the scale of the graph and the change in data values and their signs.
4. Added changing the color of the inscription in the situation positive price change, but profit < commission fee. (critical gain).
Triple Modified Hull Moving Average Cross By <Zakaria>Triple Modified Hull Moving Average Cross By
What is this?
this is a modified formula for Hull moving average, it is more accurate and predicts the golden and death cross earlier.
How to use?
Work better in high time frames (1D,1W)
the white line vs the red and the orange lines :
1 - when the white line crosses the red and the orange lines from the bottom the price will go down . Death cross!
2 - when the white line crosses the red and the orange lines from the top the price will go up . Golden Cross!
the red line vs the orange line :
1- when the orange line crosses the red line from the bottom the price will go down . Death cross!
2 - when the orange line crosses the red line from the top the price will go up . Golden Cross!
p.s: the lag between these two lines will be very small. use it in the 1W time frame to predict where exactly the bull market will end.
You can input your personalized values if you want!
